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  • Marco Rossi Played A Big Man's Game This Season


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    Tony Abbott

    On some blessed day, we'll have zero Marco Rossi trade whispers to discuss. Unfortunately, today is not that day. With the end of the Minnesota Wild season behind us, we're getting some idea of how the Wild, with limited options to improve their team, intend to shake things up before the start of next year. Unless the Wild want to make a major, risky move involving Kirill Kaprizov, Joel Eriksson Ek, or Matt Boldy, Rossi is the most established NHLer who could move the needle.

    Trading Rossi appears to be something Minnesota is very open to doing, if The Athletic's Joe Smith and Michael Russo have the correct read on Bill Guerin's thinking. In a Wednesday mailbag, they wrote the chances of such a deal happening were "higher than you'd think."

    Why move a 20-goal scorer at center before he turns 23? "If the Wild could trade Rossi for the same level of high-end prospect, but one who's bigger and faster, there's a real chance they'd pull the trigger," Smith and Russo outlined. This naturally leads to the follow-up question.

    How do you do that without losing depth at center?

    "It doesn't have to be a center," the beat writers wrote, addressing that concern. "They envision Danila Yurov playing center once he makes it to the NHL.... Also, the Wild plan to give Riley Heidt every chance to make the team in the fall."

    Lest we think this is simply the pet theory of The Athletic's brain trust, Guerin didn't leave room for much else when detailing his vision on the radio. "I think our [defense] is pretty set if we're healthy," Guerin said on Judd Zulgad's "Judd's Hockey Show" podcast. "[At] forward, we can stand to get a little bigger." Taking a quick look at forwards under 6-foot-0 and without trade protection on the Wild, the list is Kaprizov, Rossi, Marat Khusnutdinov, and AHL call-up Vinni Lettieri. Uh-oh.

    It's difficult to grasp why a front office that watches Rossi nightly would seek to trade him, particularly for being too small. Yes, Rossi is 5-foot-9; the height chart doesn't lie. But there's a difference between being short and being small, and much like the 5-foot-10 Kaprizov, Rossi doesn't play small.

    In January, EP Rinkside's Mitch Brown offered a detailed breakdown of Rossi's game. It's easy to look at "20 goals," but Brown was blown away elsewhere. "The key to Rossi's early success hasn't been his skill level but his nuanced checking game," he declared.

    What makes up that checking game? Look at the following highlight reel of Brown's praise for Rossi:

    Rossi is steadily becoming a master of winning body positioning... Evasive and deceptive with a defender on his back... Often initiates contact and wins inside positioning four or five times [in a shift]... Leverages his physical skills to impact the game without touching the puck... He lifts sticks and rushes the net... He pins opponents, trapping their feet with his own... Rossi punishes players who venture too close with reverse hits." (Emphasis mine.)

    Take out "5-foot-9" from the equation just for a moment: Does any of that read like a small player? Or even a player that's too small to handle the rigors of the center position? No, and if a scout can see all of these ways Rossi maximizes his frame and imposes his will against bigger opponents, why can't Guerin, a veteran of 1263 NHL games?

    Now let's talk about those goals. For one, there were 21 of them! There aren't many things in Wild history rarer than a 20-goal center. Since the NHL started tracking faceoffs in 2007-08, there are only six Wild centers who've registered more than 300 faceoff wins and scored 20-plus goals.

    Here they are:

    Joel Eriksson Ek (2021-22, 2022-23, 2023-24)
    Eric Staal (2016-17, 2017-18, 2018-19)
    Ryan Hartman (2021-22, 2023-24)
    Mikko Koivu (2008-09, 2009-10)
    Marco Rossi (2023-24)
    Kyle Brodziak (2011-12)

    Rossi is the youngest center on that list to hit the 20-goal mark. The only center who comes close is Koivu, who scored 20 goals in his age-23 season. Everyone else was 25 or older. Rossi being this good offensively and this fast while handling his business defensively is such a rare thing in Minnesota's history.

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    Again, we need to look at being short versus playing small. The goals Rossi scores aren't on the perimeter, and he doesn't shy away from the hardest areas of the ice. Like Eriksson Ek, who has six inches and 25 lbs. on his Austrian counterpart, Rossi thrives at the front of the net. The average distance on Rossi's 5-on-5 goals was 14.76 feet, nearly three feet closer to the net than Eriksson Ek (17.52 feet). 

    Then it must be mentioned how 18 of Rossi's 21 goals were at 5-on-5 play. That matches Boldy and is tied for second (behind Kaprizov) on the Wild. But it's even better than that. Rossi finished the year tied for 39th in the NHL in 5-on-5 goals alongside much more traditional power forwards like Boldy (6-foot-2), Alex Tuch (6-foot-4), Brandon Saad (6-foot-1), Brock Boeser (6-foot-1), and Owen Tippett (6-foot-1).

    Among centers, Rossi's looking even better, as you can see from the 5-on-5 goal totals from players with 400-plus faceoffs:

    1) Auston Matthews: 38
    2) Nathan MacKinnon: 36
    3) Brayden Point: 28
    4) Sidney Crosby: 23
    T-5) Brock Nelson: 22
    T-5) Wyatt Johnston: 22
    T-7) J.T. Miller: 20
    T-7) Tyler Seguin: 20
    T-9) Connor McDavid: 19
    T-9) Evgeni Malkin: 19
    T-9) Jason Dickinson: 19
    T-12) Marco Rossi: 18
    T-12) Nico Hischier: 18
    T-15) Bo Horvat: 17
    T-15) Nick Bjugstad: 17
    T-15) Nick Suzuki: 17

    Despite most seeing him as a playmaker as a prospect, Rossi's scoring isn't a fluke. He ranked 70th in the NHL with 15.1 expected goals, out-generating players like Tim Stützle, Kevin Fiala, Ryan O'Reilly, Suzuki, and more. It's not only sustainable success but something he can use as a stepping stone for a true breakout year.

    Guerin and the Wild front office got to watch Rossi through all 82 games. They should know all the subtleties that make up his game and have him playing much bigger than the height and weight chart lists him as. If Minnesota is somehow unable to look past his being 5-foot-9 and trades him because of that, it could be not only a short-sighted move but a critical failure of talent evaluation.

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    Thanks for this Tony! I just commented about this yesterday in your other article. You are spot on. For the umpteenth time the past couple seasons, I just don't understand where Guerin's head is at.

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    I don't think there's reason to trade Rossi now. I guess there's a chance at a multi-player package that gets a bigger guy that's similar in skill/skating where the Wild are also trading out prospects/picks to the other team.

    Not sure it's a good idea, but Russo suggesting the chances are higher than you think may indicate they are considering that route. They have quite a few prospects in the pipeline now. If they do trade Rossi, the guy they bring in better score 20+ goals and grab 25+ assists because Rossi is likely to do that for the next decade.

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    So Guerin fucks himself by making terrible deals to aging vets and handcuffs his ability to alter the roster…and his solution is to trade away a promising center we’ve be waiting decades to try to get in this team?

     Again,  he is a fucking idiot.

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    "If the Wild could trade Rossi for the same level of high-end prospect, but one who's bigger and faster, there's a real chance they'd pull the trigger," Smith and Russo outlined.

     

    So, GMBG is naive enough to think that, in a league where size is (supposedly) everything, he will find a GM willing to trade an "equal level" high-end prospect for the "small" Rossi?  Thank goodness that's almost guaranteed to NOT happen, as Tony has laid out pretty clearly why Rossi is likely to turn into a shorter (not smaller) JEE. 

     

    I mean, good grief, a 75th-percentile defensive forward at 22? With offensive upside?  Don't trade him, clone him. 

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    Trading Rossi before the season would be foolish. There were enough new pieces at the end of last season to put together that gives hope for a strong, youthful second line. If we can get some of those over-extended vets to produce like they did a couple of seasons ago this team has a great chance of success. 

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    If this is true, Guerin wants to trade Rossi for a player who does exactly what Rossi is doing but is taller while doing it? Make it make sense.  

    Of course Rossi being so small has had a hard time staying healthy. He only played 82 games this year so that could be the reasoning.

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    It's worth considering that he might be traded for a defenseman?

    That's one way to improve the team significantly and potentially the Wild spend their available 5-6M on a UFA forward to fill a forward vacancy. Again the prospects coming in offer hope but unproven.

    I do think it's weird that Lundell looks awesome still for FL and is playing with NHL studs. MN has signed the Norwegian Hobitt, Spurge, and takes Rossi and Marat in the draft only to decide size is big in the Central. Now the issue requires some culling and Rossi is targeted. Yeah the whole thing is curious but times change and Rossi was drafted four years ago. Being the give in a trade is not so strange because he is good. That's what I would expect which is to give up something to get something. We know pretty well the Wild don't have too many things they can give up from their current roster but if Spurgeon, Rossi, and next year's 1st for Brady Tkachuk would be a game changer. Then the Wild could sign a defenseman for <4M and be automatically in a new category of toughness and fight for the Central.

    Hypothetical but perfect example of a big deal that would change the Wild for the better.

     

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    I have to question the validity of Russo and Smith's comments. We all know that when Bill Guerin is negotiating trades, he does it in the cone of silence. He detests anything getting leaked out. He is not open when discussing guys he would trade. He was furious when it was reported he was actually after Fleury by the Chicago press. When he pulled the trigger on Addison and Bogosian, did we have a heads up on that happening? How about when he added Maroon?

    I simply think this is being "leaked" out for a reason and is a red herring. And which GM trades a larger player with the same skills for the smaller one? That makes no sense. Protec could be right in that he's looking for a defender. 

    This whole thing just doesn't add up to me. It feels like fake news. Now, maybe it's out there to flush out anyone who might be enamored with Rossi's game and overpay? Otherwise, this simply makes no sense.

    Also, I did like the way Tony dove into the underlying parts of his game. My eye test says that down the stretch, Rossi was not as strong as he had been, and he needs another offseason like last year. Could this be motivation for that? I do stand by the conclusion, though, that Rossi is short not small. So, 3 areas he needs to work on: Faceoffs, edges and bulking up.

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    20 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

     

    I have to question the validity of Russo and Smith's comments.

     

    I don’t think that we can rule out that Russo is just trying to create news in an otherwise nothing-burger offseason

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    36 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    I don’t think that we can rule out that Russo is just trying to create news in an otherwise nothing-burger offseason

    Russo was on the 3 signings before camp last season, but I think pretty late. Going back, it seemed like Kalisha got the jump on him with that. But, he was also spot on with the Goose signing. 

    Trades are a different thing, though. Guerin does not usually discuss those things. Some may think he did with Fiala, but I'm pretty convinced that in principle, that deal was already made. 

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    The fact that we are hearing and reading about a Rossi trade speculation you can bet so is he. I wonder what he feels about it, where this fits into his psyche. A kid who has done everything asked of him from the team and Billy specifically. The kid has shown his desire to play here and a loyalty to a team that he credits the medical staff here of saving his life. He occupies a position that this team has had a desperate need for for years and he is doing it well. And now he hears they would move him. 

    If Russo is throwing this out there because it's a slow news day it's irresponsible and I don't see him doing that. He's most likely basing it off something. Doesn't really matter at this point it's now in Rossi's head. 

     

     

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    1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

    If Russo is throwing this out there because it's a slow news day it's irresponsible and I don't see him doing that.

    I wouldn't think that Russo would do this because it's a slow news day...unless he told Rossi he was going to do it and not to worry about it. 

    But, Russo doesn't appear to be a beat writer who does this sort of thing. I'm not questioning Russo's integrity here, I think it's very odd that he would write about a player on the trading block when Guerin, typically, keeps these things very quiet. It makes me wonder what is going on here? Why would Guerin want this public? Is there a motivational message here for Rossi?

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    On a different note, I don't remember Rossi playing PK minutes. Is there a reason for this? He seemed to be the first center out with Kaprizov and Boldy. I'd think he'd be a pretty good killer.

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    I respect Russo because he doesn’t throw around made up stories. He respects peoples families. I’ve never felt like he was making up stories for clicks    
         I hope they are trying to trade Rossi. I look at Elias Peterson, that huge deal he signed an the fact he’s just getting manhandled in the playoffs. I think of Mitch Marner disappearing in the playoffs . Great players , just not in the playoffs. . Maybe in 5 years. So if they’ve identified he’s not a playoff player, which is what they need to keep kappy then trade him. Get something you need now.  Rossi is a good player his #’s don’t lie but numbers tell you anything  about how they will preform in playoffs . I think that’s more about character and the drive to win. Some guys have it and most don’t.  Billy is having a hard time identifying alphas . He’s on that podcast saying Fred an Jo Jo can be tougher. That’s funny. They are what they are. We need better. Alpha males who don’t accept weakness an excuses . IMO  Rossi never showed me this year he could handle the good big teams. He disappeared along with the rest of the team.  
         I could care less about keeping Rossi to be average. I care about winning a cup with kappy. So if Rossi gets traded to get an alpha I’m all for it. The prospects should be used as assets to get what we need to keep kappy . Period.

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    13 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

    Why would Guerin want this public?

    To get the phone to ring? Also plausible deniability. He can say I never said I wanted to trade Rossi but when team X called and made the offer I felt it could improve the team. Billy has not confirmed or denied this rumor. Tells me its a possibility it could happen. If he had no intentions of trading him a GM should come out and say so as to not make the player sit and stew in it. But this is Billy so who knows.  

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    13 hours ago, Dean said:

    At least in 26 or 27 we will have a few more 1st round picks after trading kappy. Then we can go get another Rossi 

    Continue on with being the perpetual Team Prospects! Hmm.. the Minnesota Prospects, has a certain ring to it! 🤔

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    3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    To get the phone to ring? Also plausible deniability.

    This is a possibility, however, this is not typically how Guerin operates. His tendencies are to keep this in the building. 

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    Marco Rossi Played A Big Man's Game This Season

    Let's trade him for a big-body over-the-hill veteran that'll be signed to an above market deal with a no-move-clause.

    (sarcasm)

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    5 hours ago, MacGyver said:

    Billy has not confirmed or denied this rumor. Tells me its a possibility it could happen.

    Russo has said multiple times on his Best Seat In The House podcast that the front office is considering trading Rossi. He has insider information, apparently.

    It could just be an effort to see if a team will overpay for a young, promising Center.

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    I just want to see him with two legit wingers for a full season. JoJo was bad, and Zuc will just pass it back or to someone else if Rossi passes it to him. Still say they are giving up on him too fast if they do trade him. He might spend the summer gaining more lower body strength or hone in on his skating. Ek needed some time so does Rossi.

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    On 4/26/2024 at 10:45 AM, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

    Thanks for this Tony! I just commented about this yesterday in your other article. You are spot on. For the umpteenth time the past couple seasons, I just don't understand where Guerin's head is at.

    Yeah I've been willing to give Geurin some benefit of the doubt since he's had to clean up the tail-end of the Parise/Suter contracts.. but if he's gonna trade a 20-goal scoring center immediately, I'm not sure that's a move I can defend. 

    Unless he's getting an absolute haul. And even then, why do it now? Wait until Yurov comes over at least. Rossi will still be attractive if he follows up this year with another 20 goal, or more, season again. 

    Or, you know, kick him out to wing if you really want Yurov to play center? We're gonna need a Zuccy replacement in a few seasons anyway and I think Rossi could slot right into that spot while providing a little more goal-scoring instinct than just pure playmaking. 

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    On 4/27/2024 at 6:28 PM, Dean said:

    So if they’ve identified he’s not a playoff player, which is what they need to keep kappy then trade him

    no they need to actually make the playoffs first to keep 97 happy

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