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    Tony Abbott

    The Minnesota Wild's playoff chances have dwindled to 3.9% because they only have 11 games to make up a nine-point gap in the standings between them and the Vegas Golden Knights. We can all but officially say that it's not happening. But when hope was left in the Wild's season, John Hynes went all-in with Marc-Andre Fleury.

    Reading the tea leaves, the plan going into this season was to have Fleury play out the final year of his contract and presumably retire. That would leave Gustavsson, with two years left on his deal, in a timeshare with goalie prospect Jesper Wallstedt for the next two seasons while Wallstedt established himself.

    Now? Those plans might have changed.

    No one could blame Fleury for feeling he has more in the tank, and he should decide whether or not to keep playing. If the former Vezina Winner decides he's not willing to hang up his pads next year, general manager Bill Guerin has to make a difficult decision. Will he bring back the 40-year-old goalie for another one-year deal? Or will Guerin lock up his former Pittsburgh Penguins teammate to a multi-year contract?

    We kid, we kid, except it's hard to see Guerin walking away from Fleury should he want to return. If so, the challenging decision will be about what to do with Gustavsson.

    With Gustavsson under contract, Guerin can let his current goalie tandem ride for next year at the expense of potentially blocking Wallstedt's path to the NHL. Or if Minnesota wants Wallstedt in the NHL, specifically to study under Fleury, the Wild could attempt to move on from Gustavsson this offseason.

    Trading Gustavsson could make sense, but it follows a series of alarming trends with Guerin's handling of the team. It'd be a reactive, not proactive, move that again makes Minnesota an older team than they thought. It'd be a short-term move at the expense of the Wild's long-term plans.

    That's not to say that plans can't, or shouldn't, change; they certainly did this season. Fleury, the 39-year-old future Hall of Famer, was supposed to be Filip Gustavsson's backup after the latter's breakout year. For most of the season, Fleury was. Even now, Gustavsson has six more starts (38) than Fleury (32) on the season. But as much as Dean Evason and then Hynes tried to fire up the "Gus Bus," he proved to be as intermittently reliable as Walter White's RV. 

    With the season on the line, Fleury started eight of the Wild's 11 games (so far) in March. How could anyone blame Hynes? Until he regressed against the Los Angeles Kings and St. Louis Blues, Fleury had gone 9-2-1 in decisions with a .928 save percentage since January 13. Gustavsson held an 8-6-1 record with a .889 save percentage in that stretch. 

    Overall, Gustavsson and Fleury's numbers don't look so different in the 2023-24 season. Both goalies have their save percentages starting with an 8 (.897 for Gustavsson, .899 for Fleury). But there has been a massive difference in their consistency. Fleury has his clunkers but keeps the Wild in the game far more often, turning in a Quality Start in 17 of his 32 starts. That's two more than Gustavsson, giving Fleury a Quality Start percentage of .531 to Gustavsson's .395, with Gustavsson being just as prone to blowing up with a dreadful game.

    The Wild saw something that wasn't working out and adjusted accordingly. That reactive approach is needed for in-season tactics. But looking ahead, a different perspective is necessary, and that perspective tends to get lost in the Wild's general approach to team-building.

    Assuming one must stay and the other must leave, are we sure Fleury is a better option than Gustavsson next season? Whatever you want to say about Gustavsson's season -- and it's been a nightmare -- he's still got a .914 save percentage over 75 starts for the Wild in the big picture. The performance of almost any goalie in their 40s isn't going to surpass that happy medium if Gustavsson can find it.

    Seven goalies have played 14 combined seasons (minimum 20 games) into their 40s during the salary cap era. A 41-year-old Dominik Hasek was the only player to outperform a .914 save percentage. Only Dominik Hasek (twice), Dwayne Roloson (once, age-41), and Craig Anderson (once, age-41) finished at or above the NHL league average save percentage.

    Therefore, our reasonable expectations for Fleury next season max out at around a .902 save percentage. As crazy as Gustavsson's swings can be, he's a .912 career goalie. For the following season, Fleury's expectations max out at retirement. 

    Then what? Instead of having Gustavsson forcing Wallstedt to earn his place in the NHL, Minnesota must have Wallstedt serve as the primary starter as a 23-year-old in 2025-26 on a team that should have Stanley Cup aspirations. Is that what anyone wants? And that pressure cooker can come sooner if Fleury gets injured next season.

    That's not to say a Gustavsson trade can't carry some upside. If Minnesota has lost confidence in him, that's an attractive move because it would clear off his $3.75 million cap hit for the next two seasons. That could especially be welcome for next season, the last year of the worst of the Zach Parise/Ryan Suter buyout penalties in 2024-25.

    Still, it would remove a major safety net for Wallstedt for the next two seasons while giving Gustavsson zero chance to bounce back from a tough season. To do it in the name of keeping a 40-year-old in the fold, even though he's beloved, reeks of Minnesota not sticking to (or having) a plan.

    The obvious solution to satisfy Minnesota's needs and sentimentality is bringing Fleury back alongside Gustavsson. You have Fleury back for insurance if Gustavsson can't be a 1A goalie next year, and Gustavsson has a chance to deliver on his contract for the next two seasons. It even benefits Wallstedt, who has been brilliant lately (.940 save percentage in his last 5 games) but only has a .911 save percentage for the Iowa Wild this season.

    Plans can change, and Fleury has delivered strong play, which gives him some right to be back next season. It's a short-term move that might be right for the Wild. But abandoning their plan altogether and throwing Wallstedt into the NHL sooner than anyone might want? That seems to be a dangerous deviation from the long-term plan, and the Wild would be taking a major risk rolling the dice on a Gustavsson trade.

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    If the former Vezina Winner decides he's not willing to hang up his pads next year, general manager Bill Guerin has to make a difficult decision. Will he bring back the 40-year-old goalie for another one-year deal? Or will Guerin lock up his former Pittsburgh Penguins teammate to a multi-year contract?

    You had me for a moment there. If there was some question of a multi-year deal, I was going to be strongly against that.

    Fleury had a brilliant string of 7 games prior to his last 2, but the overall work in his last 10 games was just an .897 save percentage, and he's allowed 5 goals against in 3 of them. He's had a great career, but it's probably time to bring in the Wall so that he's NHL ready for the following year when they intend to compete and will need him to compete.

    Kochetkov saw time in 24 games last year at age 23, with solid results, and has now become a top option in Carolina, facing nearly twice as many shots as the next guy.

    Wallstedt has been a little up and down for Iowa but has had periods of really strong play. He turns 22 around the start of next season and might be ready for NHL work next year. Joel Hofer saw a handful of games with the Blues last year and had been contributing decently at age 23 for them this season. Wallstedt was drafted higher and could be ready sooner.

    On the other hand, the Wild don't really have anyone in the pipeline to backup the top 2 if Gus and the Wall are in the NHL, so having Fleury around could maybe make sense as long as they still intend for him to be a backup and reduce his contract substantially.

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    I think Fleury has shown an insane flexibility and energy that people 10 years his junior don't even have.  I can't say whether he is demonstrably better than Gus, but I think Fleury is in control of his destiny.  He doesn't look like a guy ready to retire.  Nor should he.  It looks like a guy who still have passion, and that is something the team could really benefit from, as long as they have him.

    If Fleury wants to come back, Guerin would be smart to do 1 year deals on a sub-$3m salary.  Gus should also be given some rope to prove this year was a fluke slump year.  Wallstedt has a ton of years left.  The other benefit of giving Wallstedt more time is building rapport with some of the newer defenders that are going to be important depth pieces.  

    Between the weird choices to cut bait, I would say Gus is way more likely to be thrown out than Rossi.  However, Gus and Fleury aren't on the worst cap hits given the situation.  $3-4 million is serviceable pay for both and old guy with energy left, and a new guy trying to prove this year really fucking sucked.  I don't think you could go wrong either option.  I think Fleury is given one more year until is absolutely shown he just can't go at all.  I didn't see any sign his flexibility and unique approach was rapidly fading.  He looks like a guy who could still play his ass off in a split rotation.

    You can't really go wrong.

    Fleury and Gus stay: Run it back to see if they were at fault for if the injuries and shit depth were the issue.

    Fleury stays, Gus goes: Wallstedt gets his reps, and the Wild get him up quicker.  He probably has to work super hard, cause Fleury is retiring way sooner than Gus would be.

    Gus stays, Fleury retires: The optimal situation; Gus is younger, while played worse than Fleury.  He has less mileage.  Wallstedt would probably learn well behind a guy playing a similar style (does anyone play like Fleury does)?

    Guerin is going to give Fleury the choice.  It's a year by year process.  Guerin's only mistake would be giving Fleury multiple years.

     

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    The Wild have made it known that they’re all in to compete for the playoffs every year. So… with cap $ at a premium next year either Gus or MAF has to go. I’d keep Gus and roll the dice with the Wall. He’s got enough confidence and hockey family history to ride out the likelihood of a steep learning curve. No matter what direction the Wild decide to go in it’s going to be with a lot of built in risk. At least having another couple million to spend on players is a sure bet with the Wall. I’m ready for a change next season maybe this is the right one.

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    Both goalies were victims of shoddy defense and that has certainly hurt their numbers. With that said, those numbers won't reflect well on Gus and I'd suspect it wouldn't yield much in a trade. Combine that with the knowledge the Wild are behind the 8 ball with the salary cap other teams will know it's more of a desperation move for them. 

    It would be a shame to see the Flower skate off after a poor team performance. If he sees potential with the squad he'll want to come back for one more playoff run.

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    17 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

    Kochetkov saw time in 24 games last year at age 23, with solid results, and has now become a top option in Carolina, facing nearly twice as many shots as the next guy.

    We have to take Kochetkov in context. He was the break glass in case of emergency goalie for Carolina. Andersen went down with blood clots and Raanta just can't stay healthy. For awhile, they had Kochetkov and some guy they claimed off waivers as their duo. This happened 2 years ago in the playoffs too, and last year. Sometimes, circumstances dictate when you make the N. 

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    16 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

    I didn't see any sign his flexibility and unique approach was rapidly fading.  He looks like a guy who could still play his ass off in a split rotation.

    I didn't see the signs in the flexibility, but I have seen the signs in reflexes. Once that starts to happen, and believe me, I know, it's falling off a cliff very quickly. I'd move on and just bring up The Wall and run with him and Goose. I think The Wall has learned what he can from the A and is ready to back up Goose. 

    Under this scenario, we need a solid #3 in Iowa. 

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    Why do Euros so often go to shit after they sign a contract? Do they really care about winning enough or are they just interested in being good when it matters to them? 

    Remember Gaborik playing racing simulators while being out of the lineup for the Wild? Almost like he didn't give a crud? 

    I don't think MN players are genuine enough about winning as a group. Some, yes. Other's are just along for a ride. 

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    11 minutes ago, Protec said:

    Why do Euros so often go to shit after they sign a contract?  

    I've seen many examples of this across all sports.  Actually, the complacency even goes beyond sports.  Hunger is a motivation that all people lose when they get a little prime rib.

    Actually, I think Swedes are tougher than most fair weather Americans.

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    That's true I suppose but it's a reputation for Euro NHL guys.

    In fact HOF guys will even say the most talented guys were sometimes the guys who flunked out of the NHL cause they just didn't show up to play most of the time.

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    If you can trade Gustafson then do it. I'm ok with Fluery and Wallstedt next year as long as Fluery is on a one year deal below $2 million.  Let's be honest. Next year is about evaluating young talent and needs for the 5 year window following. If the Wild make the playoffs that's great but it shouldn't be the priority.

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    2 hours ago, Protec said:

    That's true I suppose but it's a reputation for Euro NHL guys.

    In fact HOF guys will even say the most talented guys were sometimes the guys who flunked out of the NHL cause they just didn't show up to play most of the time.

    Sometimes drinking beers and getting laid is more fun than practice.

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    Personally, I was leery of reacting to one solid season from Gustavsson and him parleying that into a multi-year deal. There was a reason he was available for the lowly price of a pissed off Talbot. 

     

    That said, he is young, affordable, has experience, and under team control. The other guy has experience, but is neither young nor under team control following this season. 

    The right move is to thank Fleury for all the fish and let some other team take him on for his retirement tour. 

    But this team hasn't been able to make the right move for quite some time now.

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    1 hour ago, Patrick said:

    If you can trade Gustafson then do it. I'm ok with Fluery and Wallstedt next year as long as Fluery is on a one year deal below $2 million.  Let's be honest. Next year is about evaluating young talent and needs for the 5 year window following. If the Wild make the playoffs that's great but it shouldn't be the priority.

    I was the guy saying they should have traded Gus last Summer after his hot season while value was highest. 

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    4 hours ago, joebou15 said:

    There was a reason he was available for the lowly price of a pissed off Talbot. 

    'There was a reason he was available for the lowly price of a pissed off Guerin.'

    Fixed it for ya... 

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    12 minutes ago, Protec said:

    MAF saying a one-year deal is what he'd be looking for...

    https://www.nhl.com/news/marc-andre-fleury-may-return-to-minnesota-in-2024-2025-season

    Is this because Guerin think's Wallstedtzy is not ready (see signing Fred Evason as Rossi insurance), or because Gus is being dealt in off-season?  Or because they want to add MAF to goalie coaching staff/stable of NHL vets (Modano, Hendricks, Bombardier)

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    3 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

    Is this because Guerin think's Wallstedtzy is not ready (see signing Fred Evason as Rossi insurance), or because Gus is being dealt in off-season?  Or because they want to add MAF to goalie coaching staff/stable of NHL vets (Modano, Hendricks, Bombardier)

    If Fleury wants to get into coaching my guess would be Pit would welcome him and that's where he'd be coaching.

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